Grats on Lady Vashj

[gratsonlegit]

But why would you claim your kill was 100% legit and disparage Nihilum's accomplishments?

Grats on fear ward glitches. More like 95% legit....amirite

It's pretty shitty to say you guys were 100% legit and talk down to others when you know your "clever use of game mechanics" was just as bad as any bug that happened to Nihilum.

Didn't even notice until I watched it the second time, but LOOK AT ALL THOSE SOULSTONES!!! hmmmm

more like 80% legit...amirite

[Vxn]

But why would you claim your kill was 100% legit and disparage Nihilum's accomplishments?

Grats on fear ward glitches. More like 95% legit....amirite

It's pretty shitty to say you guys were 100% legit and talk down to others when you know your "clever use of game mechanics" was just as bad as any bug that happened to Nihilum.

Didn't even notice until I watched it the second time, but LOOK AT ALL THOSE SOULSTONES!!! hmmmm

more like 80% legit...amirite

Fear Ward is there to be used.
Soulstones are there to be used.

[gratsonlegit]

Fear Ward is there to be used; then consumed once a charge has been utilized.
Soulstones are there to be used; each warlock in the raid can use their stone at will

Went ahead and fixed that for ya. Pretty sure 4 warlocks can't throw up all those soulstones you guys had available.

edit: I'm not saying it wasn't a good kill, and I'm not saying you guys didn't deserve it. You worked very hard and accomplished something many have yet to do.........but 100% legit? Talking down to Nihilum? Come on now...

You go kill Vashj without and I listen to you, now ur just another kid that thinks hes cool

[Sprycer]

We use what the game has to offer, there's a slight difference doing that and having a boss drop his hp from evading. Now if you're really being serious about this then no horde kill is 100% ligit because of tauren racial or what?

[gratsonlegit]

You go kill Vashj without and I listen to you, now ur just another kid that thinks hes cool

See my post above. I'm not by any means saying you didn't deserve the kill, I'm just saying that disparaging others' accomplishments is not warranted...and saying your kill was 100% legit is not entirely accurate.

[gratsonlegit]

We use what the game has to offer you piece of shit, there's a slight difference doing that and having a boss drop his hp from evading. Now if you're really being serious about this then no horde kill is 100% ligit because of tauren racial or what?

A glitch that makes the mob lose hp vs.
A glitch that makes a crucial part of the encounter trivial

It's a tough battle...but all in all I'd say neither kill was 100% legitimate. And you shouldn't be going around saying yours was. Why couldn't you have just posted your kill and said "oh...in addition, there's an issue with fear ward that needs to be resolved as well."

It wouldn't have mattered to anyone, and it wouldn't have made you guys look like assholes with your "OMG 100% LEGIT NIHILUM YOU SUCK LOL" attitude.

[Sprycer]

Really, who said NIHILUM YOU SUCK?

The fact that someone says 100% legit gj all when u kill a hard boss has nothing to do with nihilum buddy.

The only difference is that we made use of ingame mechanics (working as intended or not), which are available to each and everyone and they had a HP bug that removed the hardest part of the encounter (the last few %) which are crucial, 4 minute enrage or not?

[Xav]

We use what the game has to offer you piece of shit, there's a slight difference doing that and having a boss drop his hp from evading. Now if you're really being serious about this then no horde kill is 100% ligit because of tauren racial or what?

A glitch that makes the mob lose hp vs.
A glitch that makes a crucial part of the encounter trivial

It's a tough battle...but all in all I'd say neither kill was 100% legitimate. And you shouldn't be going around saying yours was. Why couldn't you have just posted your kill and said "oh...in addition, there's an issue with fear ward that needs to be resolved as well."

It wouldn't have mattered to anyone, and it wouldn't have made you guys look like assholes with your "OMG 100% LEGIT NIHILUM YOU SUCK LOL" attitude.

I said the striders panic is bugged in irc channel after kill, should I go and make a ticket to blizzard now?

[gratsonlegit]

I said the striders panic is bugged in irc channel after kill, should I go and make a ticket to blizzard now?

It actually SHOULD be posted on the bug reporting forums, because it is a valid glitch. So the answer is yes, I suppose you should. You should mention the spores not despawning after the kill as well.


The only difference is that we made use of ingame mechanics (working as intended or not), which are available to each and everyone and they had a HP bug that removed the hardest part of the encounter (the last few %) which are crucial, 4 minute enrage or not?

It could be argued that the kiting and path planning and resultant raid movement are just as crucial to the encounter as the final damage, as it requires a lot of paying attention and perfect execution. The kiting significantly impacts your raid DPS and the flow of your entire encounter.

I'm not really here to fight with you guys. I'm just here to say that it's not really accurate to say you had a 100% legitimate kill...and it's not very nice to put down Nihilum's kill.

[Kasdeya]

what's your char name in nihilum anyway? :)

[Sprycer]

Oh, so the point you're trying to make here is that YOU feel we're attacking Nihilum by saying that when she died?

[gratsonlegit]

Oh, so the point you're trying to make here is that YOU feel we're attacking Nihilum by saying that when she died?


The point I'm trying to make is:


Firstly, the Vashj kill itself.
Our Vashj kill was 100% legit, there was no Kungen 500k revenge crits involved here.

That statement was out of line. The Nihilum kill was bugged. It was publicly admitted the second vashj was killed as bugged to the raid websites and on the Nihilum forums.

Then Method comes along and says "Our Vashj kill was 100% legit". Not exactly the case, and you guys know it. You could have at least reported the truth :roll:

[Sprycer]

What exactly do you mean with 'the kill was bugged', the useage of fear ward + ss's or the fact that bats and Vashj's corpse bugged AFTER the kill which has nothing to do WITH the kill?

[Benno]

But why would you claim your kill was 100% legit and disparage Nihilum's accomplishments?

Grats on fear ward glitches. More like 95% legit....amirite

It's pretty shitty to say you guys were 100% legit and talk down to others when you know your "clever use of game mechanics" was just as bad as any bug that happened to Nihilum.

Didn't even notice until I watched it the second time, but LOOK AT ALL THOSE SOULSTONES!!! hmmmm

more like 80% legit...amirite

Lol dude. I find it even more "shitty to say" of you to come to these forums to flame Method. Did you even know how much effort they have put into that kill? Don't try to answer, it's a rhetorical question..

Ofcourse it's not fair to claim world 1st kill, but they aren't doing that, they 're just proud of this very hard accomplishment. Without any HP bug doens't make it easier FYI. What's wrong being proud of that? Method even tried to share there proud by releasing a vid of it from 2 PoV's.

I also doubt that you are from Nihilum. Such a great guild as Nihilum would not come down here to flame their competition. Nihilum is the best guild one of the best guilds around, if not the best. They dont have to *try* to defend theirselfs which such posts.

Power currupts huh?

ps. grammar doesnt make me feel happy.

[Xav]

Facts, Nihilum is the number 1 guild worldwide atm. On the other hand we're just a bunch of raiders who have the balls to die trying something.
That word "legit" is not used at his best there, op was refering at 100%-0% hp going down.
Off the record, didn't used 25 SS:)

[gratsonlegit]

What exactly do you mean with 'the kill was bugged', the useage of fear ward + ss's or the fact that bats and Vashj's corpse bugged AFTER the kill which has nothing to do WITH the kill?

I edited it for clarity.

[Feline]

Your point is still moot, there was no exploit or hp-bug glitch involved in the kill.

If you want the SS-using mechanics changed, then by all means: Suggestion forums ==========> that way. I wouldn't mind seeing it go and I know most guilds would agree with that statement.

But seriously wtf does this has to do with anything.

Nihilum got the first kill, no doubt if they had continued trying they would've killed her without any bug (yeah right, buggiest encounter to date) involved.

Method killed her, so world second kill, releases movie, and someone shouts in the movie in the heat of the moment about a completely legit kill. Let it be.

We're not writing anywhere about claiming any worlds first, it's trolls like you that try to stir up shit. Nihilum is still king and emperor in PVE raiding, much love to them.

Now piss off back under your bridge.

to cut it short.

Our intended 100% legit was meant to say that we had no healthdrop. But yes.. fearward doesnt go away upon receiving a fear from a Coilfang Strider and this is a big advantage currently for Alliance if choosing so to use it.

I can't and wont speak for everyone else but from a personal point of view i think you more or less have a point.

[gratsonlegit]

I'm mainly talking about your news post here (which all raiding websites picked up on). It says:

"Our Vashj kill was 100% legit, there was no Kungen 500k revenge crits involved here."

There's 2 problems with it:

1) The kill wasn't legitimate. Although the use of soulstones is questionable, I can bypass that because it could (sort of) be considered potting up. The fear ward glitch is what really sealed the deal here. It makes the whole strider phase a joke and, in turn, gives you WAY more DPS. It's clearly not intended and clearly a bug...making the kill not 100% legit as stated.

2) "no kungeon 500k revenge crits here" is a blatant shot at Nihilum. Nihilum has no control over when the encounter bugs just like you have no control over it (lol spore death). It's not fair to take digs at them...especially in a widely spread news statement.

So basically, the uninformed general public thinks "wow, I guess method got the true first kill...they did it without any glitches or bugs...I guess Nihilum's got some proving to do."

When in reality the general public should be thinking "wow, this encounter is really screwed up. fear ward bugs, spores not despawning, random evades, I wonder when they're going to fix this guy so someone can have a real go at it."

You're misleading the general public with your posts and dragging Nihilum's name through the dirt your statements. Whether you mean to or not.

2) "no kungeon 500k revenge crits here" is a blatant shot at Nihilum. Nihilum has no control over when the encounter bugs just like you have no control over it (lol spore death). It's not fair to take digs at them...especially in a widely spread news statement.

This was never said to belittle them, it was more intended as a joke. However if people pick up this line in a different way it wasnt intended so.

[gratsonlegit]

to cut it short.

Our intended 100% legit was meant to say that we had no healthdrop. But yes.. fearward doesnt go away upon receiving a fear from a Coilfang Strider and this is a big advantage currently for Alliance if choosing so to use it.

I can't and wont speak for everyone else but from a personal point of view i think you more or less have a point.

Thank you. All I was really looking for was a little validation from you guys. I now realize the news statement may be poorly worded and the wrong words were chosen to explain your encounter. I really hope this is the case rather than you guys purposefully trying to put down Nihilum.

[Feline]

What I dislike is:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/threa ... 1&pageNo=6 (http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=101923545&sid=1&pageNo=6)

yeah, we do read the US forums.

/edit/ Not all of the raid were soulstoned btw, but a large portion of them.

As I explained already, if someone shouts out anything on vent at the moment of the kill (obviously living the moment in a rush) people shouldn't really make things out of it.

As for Sco's statement, it was (as you can see LITERALLY) a referral to the hp-drop bug that happened to Nihilum, the Kungen reference is ment as a joke (Sco adores the guy ;) ) Perhaps the phrasing of Legit is off, and should be reworded into hp-drop-free :roll:

Even so, as everyone knows by now, the entire encounter is bugged to hell in more ways then one. Perhaps the real culprit still is Blizzard, it would've been a lot better if they had released the encounter after actually PROPERLY testing the whole thing. And yes one of these bugs happens to be the fearward thing. Nevertheless, I know everyone in Method is proud of the kill. I would love to see some closure to this topic.

The movie was made for entertainment purposes, and to show everyone exactly how hard and untuned the entire encounter is.

Moving along...

[Korlic]

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/juliamaynard/2004/11/23/moomins.gif

Why do you insist in posting in our forums, it is clear we have 2 different viewpoints on whether this kill was ligitimate or not so why can't we just leave it at that because you can't honestly think your ramblings on will change our perception. It's clear my your choice in username that you only came on this forum to belittle our achievements and I find it baffling that anyone would spend so much time on something as pointless as this topic, which, if I'm not mistake has nothing to do with them.

My 2 cents

We used the kiting strategy as well a couple of times in the start, but without fully flasking and worldbuffing there was a to high luckfactor in this strategy,DPS wise. You can imagine that if we wanna have good learnings in Phase 3 that we make P1+2 as easy as possible, so I think it's blizzards fault that they kinda forced us to make it this easy. I am 100% sure that with this killing try with all this worldbuffs etc. we could have killed him with the kiting strategy as well, since we managed executing P2 before with kiting a couple of times.

Offcoarse this doesn't take away that we indeed used it.


my thought about the large ammount of stones being used:
I really dont know why people think this is wrong, cause it's just a part of the game. And this was the very first time we used it, just because blizzard failed at making this encounter to hard.

[Zhai]

I so hate people when they say stuff like that,just only so they have something to say :?

[SomeUS_guy]

why are you bashing Method... maybe we should really be pointing at the real source of the problem.. blizzard devs and buggy cockblock encounters. Is it just me or does anyone else find it funny that there is no way to kill vashj completely 100% legit.

flashbacks of rag 1.0(15 Rogues world first kill), nef, CTHUN(biggest joke).

enough with the fighting, more with the congrats. Good to see you guys got the loot finally also.


Edit: This whole ordeal with the Shitty GM survice, now people flaming has made me think of a new wow name. WORLD OF DRAMACRAFT

[Safari]

WORLD OF DRAMACRAFT

[Chacky]

Guys and girls just drop it.
We do not have to explain ourselfs in any way.

Drama drama drama ftw

Chacky

[Merrin]

We do not have to explain ourselfs in any way.



qft

EDIT: i miss chacky hugs =/

[Chacky]

BIG HUG Merrin :)

Chacky

[Ahiles]

Gratz guys,
Keep doing :)
gz Korlic with the chest :)

Ahiles

[doomy]

We use what the game has to offer, there's a slight difference doing that and having a boss drop his hp from evading. Now if you're really being serious about this then no horde kill is 100% ligit because of tauren racial or what?

Wow, what a horrible analogy. The Tauren racial is IN-RAID and is not a glitch or use of characters outside of a 25-man raid. Look, you guys got your kill--great.

HOWEVER, YOU WERE TANKING STRIDERS THAT PULSE FEAR EVERY TWO SECONDS WITH WARRIORS.

Now, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Fear Ward only allows for the consumption of ONE FEAR EFFECT and can only be applied EVERY 30 SECONDS. For you to look down on Nihilum when you so obviously used a glitch to accomplish this encounter (not that it isn't necessary at this point in the game to use the glitch and I'm not looking down on you for it) is just wrong.

Who do you guys think you are fooling?

Grats on your kill, you did what you had to do to win. However, this is not a world-first, and not the first legit world-first. The first legit world-first will be when a guild takes Vashj down with a properly working fear ward and a raid that isn't all soulstoned up.

You have the world's 2nd illegitimate kill.

[Korlic]

Thanks Ahiles <3

[Flamelia]

We use what the game has to offer, there's a slight difference doing that and having a boss drop his hp from evading. Now if you're really being serious about this then no horde kill is 100% ligit because of tauren racial or what?

Wow, what a horrible analogy. The Tauren racial is IN-RAID and is not a glitch or use of characters outside of a 25-man raid. Look, you guys got your kill--great.

HOWEVER, YOU WERE TANKING STRIDERS THAT PULSE FEAR EVERY TWO SECONDS WITH WARRIORS.

Now, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Fear Ward only allows for the consumption of ONE FEAR EFFECT and can only be applied EVERY 30 SECONDS. For you to look down on Nihilum when you so obviously used a glitch to accomplish this encounter (not that it isn't necessary at this point in the game to use the glitch and I'm not looking down on you for it) is just wrong.

Who do you guys think you are fooling?

Grats on your kill, you did what you had to do to win. However, this is not a world-first, and not the first legit world-first. The first legit world-first will be when a guild takes Vashj down with a properly working fear ward and a raid that isn't all soulstoned up.

You have the world's 2nd illegitimate kill.
and? get a life now fatass

[Katheen]

Grats on your kill, you did what you had to do to win. However, this is not a world-first, and not the first legit world-first. The first legit world-first will be when a guild takes Vashj down with a properly working fear ward and a raid that isn't all soulstoned up.

You have the world's 2nd illegitimate kill.

I can understand the Fear Ward thing, which seems to be a bug...
...but saying that SSing up the raid using out-of-raid warlocks is not legit is just silly. It might at worst be a bit cheesy, but It's perfectly valid use of game mechanics.

If you think it's not, then I guess having someone else, not in the raid, turn in quest for dragon or hakkar buff is not legit either.

Buying consumables from someone not in the raid is probably a bit questionable too.

Did you, or someone in the raid, farm the herbs in those pots, or are you cheating by using herbs gathered by outsiders?

Good thing I'm an herbalist, and there's always a an alchemist in raid, or my raiding history would only had been one of illegitimate kills.
...although, come to think of it, they haven't actually been in the raid itself when making those pots for me.

Damn!

[Safari]

Grats on your kill, you did what you had to do to win. However, this is not a world-first, and not the first legit world-first. The first legit world-first will be when a guild takes Vashj down with a properly working fear ward and a raid that isn't all soulstoned up.

You have the world's 2nd illegitimate kill.

I can understand the Fear Ward thing, which seems to be a bug...
...but saying that SSing up the raid using out-of-raid warlocks is not legit is just silly. It might at worst be a bit cheesy, but It's perfectly valid use of game mechanics.

If you think it's not, then I guess having someone else, not in the raid, turn in quest for dragon or hakkar buff is not legit either.

Buying consumables from someone not in the raid is probably a bit questionable too.

Did you, or someone in the raid, farm the herbs in those pots, or are you cheating by using herbs gathered by outsiders?

Good thing I'm an herbalist, and there's always a an alchemist in raid, or my raiding history would only had been one of illegitimate kills.
...although, come to think of it, they haven't actually been in the raid itself when making those pots for me.

Damn!

=)

More QQ pls!! Give the Popcorn industry some money! :D

[Selune]

More QQ pls!! Give the Popcorn industry some money! :D

Go lvl up tailoring rain, stop trolling :)

[Zhai]

Grats on your kill, you did what you had to do to win. However, this is not a world-first, and not the first legit world-first. The first legit world-first will be when a guild takes Vashj down with a properly working fear ward and a raid that isn't all soulstoned up.

You have the world's 2nd illegitimate kill.

I can understand the Fear Ward thing, which seems to be a bug...
...but saying that SSing up the raid using out-of-raid warlocks is not legit is just silly. It might at worst be a bit cheesy, but It's perfectly valid use of game mechanics.

If you think it's not, then I guess having someone else, not in the raid, turn in quest for dragon or hakkar buff is not legit either.

Buying consumables from someone not in the raid is probably a bit questionable too.

Did you, or someone in the raid, farm the herbs in those pots, or are you cheating by using herbs gathered by outsiders?

Good thing I'm an herbalist, and there's always a an alchemist in raid, or my raiding history would only had been one of illegitimate kills.
...although, come to think of it, they haven't actually been in the raid itself when making those pots for me.

Damn!Am stuned,well said :D

[Merrin]

Wow, what a horrible analogy. The Tauren racial is IN-RAID and is not a glitch or use of characters outside of a 25-man raid. Look, you guys got your kill--great.

HOWEVER, YOU WERE TANKING STRIDERS THAT PULSE FEAR EVERY TWO SECONDS WITH WARRIORS.

Now, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Fear Ward only allows for the consumption of ONE FEAR EFFECT and can only be applied EVERY 30 SECONDS. For you to look down on Nihilum when you so obviously used a glitch to accomplish this encounter (not that it isn't necessary at this point in the game to use the glitch and I'm not looking down on you for it) is just wrong.

Who do you guys think you are fooling?

Grats on your kill, you did what you had to do to win. However, this is not a world-first, and not the first legit world-first. The first legit world-first will be when a guild takes Vashj down with a properly working fear ward and a raid that isn't all soulstoned up.

You have the world's 2nd illegitimate kill.

finally someone who can explain game mechanics truely amazing :lol:
from 1 fan boi to another, no one rly cares what you think m8, let it go.

[Eowin]

<3 katheen

sigh, so many trolls here.... :o