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Creepzor
4th March 2009, 14:24
Hello Protec. My name is Creepzor im a blood elf holy paladin. Some of you might remember me as Creepo undead level 60 rogue on sylvanas. ( HI URANUS)
I was looking at your Thorim movie and i was stunned to see your 30K mana buffed. I checked out your armory and discovered the crazy gems and crazy enchants on your gear. I have read all about our new uber stat on Elitest jerks and i wanted to know if this confirms my theorie, about why you are doing this. holylights are already big enough heals anyway so you dont need SP. you pump int for more mana and you have loads of crit so you basicly dont go oom and you are able to heal longer. I am asking this because your the first paladin I have encountered that has been so dedicated to int and crit. Thank you in advance for the awnser
sparkygg
4th March 2009, 15:43
Intellect gives you a lot more mana from Divine Plea, and it was OP when Divine Plea could be spammed at any random time. It's still good, because Intellect gives you more mana, it gives you a bit +heal from talent and some crit.
Intellect gives you a lot more mana from Divine Plea, and it was OP when Divine Plea could be spammed at any random time. It's still good, because Intellect gives you more mana, it gives you a bit +heal from talent and some crit.
+ more mana from Replenishment.
Protec
4th March 2009, 17:03
Hi Creepzor,
I had this alrdy written in our pala forum, just added a few things and the PTR Glyphs.
Int vs Crit
(from elitistjerks)
100 Critrating =
2.17% Crit
100 Int =
* 126.5 Intellect, with BoK and Divine Intellect
* 1897 Mana at the start of the fight
* 39.5mp5 from Divine Plea, if its used on CD.
* 21.3mp5 from Replenishment, with 90% uptime.
* 4.7mp5 from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
* 25.3 Spell Power
* 0.759% Spell Crit
Up to this point we lose 1,4 crit and gain 60,8mp5 25,3 SP and 1897 Mana at the start of the Fight.
Lets Calculate this for my current Gems. I have 3x 27 and 11x 16, so overall +257 Stats through gems either Crit or Int.
257 Crit = 5,58 Crit
257 Int =
* 325,105 Intellect, with BoK and Divine Intellect
* 6168,867 Mana at the start of the fight
* 101,515mp5 from Divine Plea, if its used on CD.
* 54,741mp5 from Replenishment, with 90% uptime.
* 65,021 Spell Power
* 1,951% Spell Crit
We would lose 3,629 Crit but on the other hand ... we gain alot.
Flasks
Now lets check on the new Flask for Healers.
Flask of Pure Mojo
38mp5 (+Alchemie = 57mp5)
and compare it with the old one.
Distilled Wisdom
65 Int (+Alchemie = 97,5 Int)
97,5 Int =
* 123,34 Intellect, with BoK and Divine Intellect
* 1850,063 Mana at the start of the fight
* 38,513mp5 from Divine Plea, if its used on CD.
* 20,768mp5 from Replenishment, with 90% uptime.
* 24,668 Spell Power
* 0,740% Spell Crit
Comparing those two flasks the distilled wisdom wins with 2,281 mp5, 1850,063 Mana and 0,740% Crit.
Conclusion:
Crit Gear, Mojo Flask:
57 mp5
5,58 Crit
Int Gear, Int Flask:
215,536 mp5
2,691 Crit
8018,930 Mana
89,689 Spellpower
With Raidbuffs we only lose 2,889 Critrating.
Mana Gain Screenshots on KT and Saphiron:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1115/unbenanntkp1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/unbenanntkp1.jpg/1/w1135.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img128/unbenanntkp1.jpg/1/)
135k on Saphiron and 174k Mana on Kel'Thuzad. If any1 finds a way to burn out so much mana tell me.
Mana Management
Everyone knows that we have our Illumination but we can even boost our mana management even harder through some usefull glyphs, -mana reduction etc.
Lets start with the Glyphs.
Glyphs
Major:
Glyph of Holylight (the first glyph slot is obviously saved for the HL glyph because of its immense healing output)
Glyph Seal of Wisom (Reduces the Mana costs of all healing spells by 5% when Seal of Wisdom is active)
Glyph of Divinty (Your LayOnHands grants you as much mana as it grants to your target)
Minor:
Glyph of the Wise (Reduces the Mana costs of Seal of Wisdom by 50%)
Glyph of LayOnHands (Increases the Mana restored by your LayOnHands ability by 20%)
LayOnHands with both glyphs and casted on yourself will give you another:
4680 Mana
PTR
Major:
Glyph of Holylight (the first glyph slot is obviously saved for the HL glyph because of its immense healing output)
Glyph Seal of Wisom (Reduces the Mana costs of all healing spells by 5% when Seal of Wisdom is active)
Glyph of Divinity (Your Lay on Hands grants twice as much mana as normal and also grants you as much mana as it grants your target)
Minor:
Glyph of Lay on Hands (Reduces the cooldown of your Lay on Hands spell by 5 min)
LayOnHands with both glyphs and casted on yourself will give you another: 11700 Mana
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9075/newmanagain.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Consumeables
Crazy Alchemist Potion (chance on reju procc or runic mana potion)
~4300Mana
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8671/proccyq9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Dark/Demonic Rune:
~1200 Mana (10 Min. CD)
Gear
Tier7 4Piece
-5% Mana Costs on HolyLight
Libram of Renewal
-113 Mana costs on HolyLight
HolyLight
Normal costs: 1274 Mana
Glyph+Set+Libram costs: 1044 Mana
Remember when Illumination is being calculated that this doesnt affect the -Mana reduction. That means the 60% of Illumination counts for 1274 Mana this results in a mana gain for each HL crit for: 764,4 Mana. This also effects our Divine Illumination spell and when its active we will gain even more mana per crit.
The casttime of a HolyLight even with a low rate of haste is 1.5 seconds.
Hope you liked this little insight on the Holy Paladin.
Creepzor
4th March 2009, 20:31
Thank you for the effort of posting this to a fellow paladin you dont even know. On the other side this is really helpfull thank you very much. :)
GL on the future content and send my regards to Oranoss from Creepo, if he doesnt visit the raid chat.
Hey Protec, thanks for all this informations.
I see on your armory profile that you got 1864sp and 42,68% crit for holy spell unbuffed.
I was however wondering what's your spellpower and crit rating like fully raid buff. Considering int scales definitly well for holy paladin, I was curious of the boost raid buffs (and flask) gives to you.
Thanks in advance.
Protec
9th March 2009, 22:15
Ill give you the answer after my next raid ryo.
Protec
10th March 2009, 22:12
Here Ryo:
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9739/statsqid.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=statsqid.jpg)
you can get a bit more mana, only had a mp5 flask (PTR screen).
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