26th October 2012, 12:30
Quite a lot over human, but you can use it with Darksoul, though the CD is longer so it doesn't synch like Blood Fury + DS does.
Originally Posted by rage
26th October 2012, 12:49
I'm not sure if this is what you're asking but when i chain 2 malefic grasps, i start the new one after the second last tick because i dont think you can abilityqueue anything after channeling spells and you would waste some time between the last tick and what follows (i use quartz as a castbar, fortexorcist also works well for that)
Originally Posted by Nomnom
Regarding the dot refreshing, you should get an addon to track your proccs and buffs and try to follow these basic guidelines :
If you have weak dots rolling and you get trinket/weapon/whatever proccs, refresh them as soon as they hit 50 % duration
If you apply dots with good proccs, either refresh them again asap as long as the proccs are still up (!) to extend them to max duration or wait until the last tick if the proccs have already run out.
To avoid any confusion, this all goes under the premiss that haste and spellpower are snapshot at the application (meaning the dots will roll with the amount of haste and spellpower you have at the moment when you cast them)
On a side note: The same thing applies to haunt usage as well, you dont want to haunt on bad dots without any proccs and then be stripped off shards when all your shit comes up. If you have unlimited shards because you're in a situation where you can drainsoul dying mobs a lot, this obviously can be neglected.
hope i could help
edit : just realized sparko beat me to an answer stealing my thunder ! :(
Last edited by Varia; 26th October 2012 at 13:00.
26th October 2012, 21:50
I heard some stuff about a macro of non channeling for malefic grasp but i suppose it's just a bad idea to use.
About what varia said i just wanted to ask this to be sure im doing the correct stuff and i understand right ur typs.
When i use malefic grasp i never let it end the channel, with this i mean i always interrupt the malefic grasp between last tick and tick before to either cast another or renew a dot.
About "If you apply dots with good proccs, either refresh them again asap as long as the proccs are still up (!) to extend them to max duration or wait until the last tick if the proccs have already run out.", i guess we do this refresh just in case the dots arrived at the half duration no?
Because for example atm what i do on a boss engage is pre cast Haunt - Ds - SB:swap - filler - filler - haunt and when the proccs are ending at like 1-2 secs, i do SB:swap.
Correct me if im wrong on any thing i said, so i can improve my performance.
Thank you in advance for ur answers
26th October 2012, 21:57
You need to watch out with casting a new spell (UA/Haunt) when interrupting your MG cast. I too recast it after the 2nd tick using ForteExcist to track it. But i'm not 100% sure whats the correct way to do it.
Originally Posted by Silver
The dots reapplying is about pandemic and not wasting time redotting, you have the chance to not clip dots in time and getting procs on the dots by reapplying them within the 50% extension rule of pandemic. Sometimes it's not always good to just reapply dots if you get 1 proc as you might have another incoming and multiply up at same time. It's hard nitpicking of playing.
I still dont know about the Haunt + DS + SB:SS, i personally prefer to haunt then MG straight away to not waste the extra GCD while haunt is up. You should never waste haunts on life tapping, moving or not casting Malefic Grasp.
26th October 2012, 22:53
WTF! nerfs to destro and aff?! Whyyyyyyyyyyyy D:
27th October 2012, 11:16
So we should only be using haunt when we have "strong" dots on the target? Strong as in dots applied with procs.. and how much better is Jade Spirit than Windsong?
Last edited by Felscream; 27th October 2012 at 11:19.
27th October 2012, 17:12
Well, the most logic thing is to spend haunts when you have strong dots and no time wasted doing life tap or other things. Scenario if you get a shard on 10% mana, using the last mana to cast haunt and then having to lifetap instead of MG is a bit wasted instead of life tapping first and then using the haunt with MG.
Originally Posted by Felscream
27th October 2012, 19:28
Sweet, and what do you think about refreshing dots with fel flame when you get procs? Should we be sb:ss when we get our int procs or do we manually re-apply them?
Last edited by Felscream; 27th October 2012 at 19:34.
27th October 2012, 20:07
you gotta consider that you basically trade a haunt for saving 1 global and UA's casttime if you use a shard for sb:ss, thats almost never worth it.
28th October 2012, 11:21
Dps in my time better, but I have one problem and I can not figure it out.
I start to spin, it will give the Curse of Elements, then Dark soul and trinket (Intelect), then SB: SS, Haunt, 2x malefic, Haunt and beyond.
I increased to 63,000 dps, but gradually decreased to 45,000 and over. He does not hold me at least 55-60 thousand. I do not know where I made a mistake.
I use Ovale addon.
Even to know that DoT Agony, Corruption and Unstablle have to hold and not lose. Haunt calmly and then after the expiration or castit must also hold?
I train for a long time, still doing the same mistake, but rather than keep dps down or go up: (